Maciek_SaikonX
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HUGE UPDATEI have been talking to Minoko about a HUGE Amethyst update. He said the idea sounds good but I will ask you guys. Ok here it goes...
1)New icons. Everything original. No rips from GBA or DS.
2)New Map. Larger than now with a LOT more features.
3)Play as a trainer only. You pick your starter Pokemon depending on which town yolu wish to be born in.
4)When you get into battle, you play as your Pokemon.
5)Raw Business eh?
Notice: This update will take a LOT of time. Please vote and reply on what you think. Thanks.
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ray
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nuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ur making a perfectly good game to a crapppy game wy do u hav to do this
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Maciek_SaikonX
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Well Minoko and I agree. Its all up to the gamers. We will see everything. WHy don't you like it?
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Syn
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If this does happen, who's going to make all of these icons  ?! as far as I know minoko is the only iconer on staff, other than him, I suppose I could help if asked..but....still........
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ray
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number 1 3 4 is complete *** dont do this minoko
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Maciek_SaikonX
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What you don't know is that I icon and map so i can do a lot of that.
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Syn
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That changes everything 
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Maciek_SaikonX
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But what do you think of the idea syn?
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ray
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number 3 should never happen cos trainers are boring and i like pure original amethyst not a trainer only 1
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Maciek_SaikonX
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Well you dont understand. Your a trainer and you can train your pokemon. When that happens, you play as the Pokemon. <.<
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Syn
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Either way is fine with me, I was always the type of person who accepted things quickly and without much of a fight xD.
But on a more serious note, I actually like this new idea, but there are a few cons to it as well: #1 because you're the trainer and the pokemon, the need for team work pretty much just died and the game became more of a solo experience.
#2 the whole "you are the pokemon" feeling would be partly lost, though not entirely due to the fact that you can still control them.
However number-1 can be fixed with the addition of teams battles, dungeons, ect, and for number-2 I'm not entirely sure what you guys have planned, so that could render number-2 inert.
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ray
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i dont like the trainer thing its total bull***
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Maciek_SaikonX
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Ya we will have Team Battles/Clan Battles/Dungeons/ etc
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ray
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NO TRAINERS CONTROLLING POKEMON ITS WIIL MAKE DA GAME SO MUCH CRAPPER
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Snyperwolf
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I agree i think the whole trainer and pokemon combo is a bad idea i like the freedom of just being a pokemon and as a pokemon i get as strong as possible and have people use their pokemon to challenge and fight me like in the show to capture me, but i will say that idea would be better for people who wanna be a trainer u can make npc pokemon or give them a starter pokemon they can choose and have them in return play as that in order to get human pokemon and so on and so fourth.
Thanks for your time
Snyperwolf
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ray
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FINNALY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME THANX SNYPERWOLF
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Snyperwolf
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I can see that update fixing the whole i need a starter pokemon but u shouldnt take away human pokemon also i think u should add some type of capture/damage idea meaning u gotta fight the pokemon to capture it,if the pokemon doesnt wanna be captured and to know if a pokemon wanna be captured just add the box that ask so that would fix random capture
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Syn
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Does this really matter? I mean there's no difference at all between the 2 except for an icon -_-
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Snyperwolf
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The difference would be not taking human pokemon out of the game completly cuz personally i dont want trainer responsiblities and i know alot of people dont as well and it works well the way it is because the trainer can explore and pokemon train so it doesnt hurt the trainer's chances in battle for wanting to see the full map
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Syn
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What responsibilities? The trainer does absolutely nothing, all they do is catch you and call you for a battle, nothing more. (most of the time they don't even order you on how you should fight)
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Snyperwolf
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Thats why i said only trainers get 1 starting pokemon they can control and use that to catch other pokemon i dont wanna go thru the hassle of cataching anyone i just wanna roam free as a pokemon there are tons of other games that have u as the trainer and this is the only good one where u choose ur pokemon and play as that
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Maciek_SaikonX
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I never said it will happen. We live in a world with CHOICE
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Syn
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What's Jeff's opinion on this subject? I haven't heard anything on this from him yet.
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Snyperwolf
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I wonder is jeff's in game character a pokemon or trainer
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Syn
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from what I've seen, hes usually a pokemon
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Snyperwolf
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You seen him, if so what pokemon is he?
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Syn
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He's been various pokemon, but the last time i saw him he was a giratina. At least that's what i can remember anyways.
(my memory sucks >_< i should really pay more attention, curse my care free way of life!)
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Snyperwolf
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Im the same way Lmao is Larvitar in this game?
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Syn
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Unfortunately, no  . I've been wanting to become tyranitar for soooo long though >.< he's one of my fave's.
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Maciek_SaikonX
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If you choose, yes, there will be Larvy's evolve forms.
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Syn
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Bribery FTW! lol
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Maciek_SaikonX
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-_-
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Snyperwolf
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When is the new batch of pokemon coming in if ever?
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Maciek_SaikonX
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It was supposed to be in update but I guess nobody wants it. -.-
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ray
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so dos that meen this update will not happen if so yesh if not nuuu
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Snyperwolf
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The update where everyone has to be a trainer?
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Syn
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I just want something to happen already -_-...............
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Snyperwolf
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Same here
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Maciek_SaikonX
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Minoko hasnt said anything so I guess I'm going Bye Bye. Nice talking to you guys.
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Syn
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Later, man.
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Aza
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have you seen pokemon battle force its the most boring pokemon game ever,u get pokemon and u stand there and train them.This is exactly whats going to happen if this update goes on
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Syn
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ALL YOU DO NOW IS TRAIN YOUR POKEMON, there is no difference at all >.< .
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ray
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lol i hate this update
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Snyperwolf
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We need more pokemon and more quest,just things to do besides just train
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Maciek_SaikonX
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Ya I'm back. You guys don't understad. There will be an UNIQUE training system that requires you to play to train not just click a button >.> Wow. I didn't thhink you guys would think this way.
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Snyperwolf
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We understand they'll be things thats completly new but people like me dont want nothing to do with the trainer aspect of the game
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Syn
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Welcome back, Maciek.
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Jeff
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Re: HUGE UPDATE | Maciek_SaikonX wrote: | I have been talking to Minoko about a HUGE Amethyst update. He said the idea sounds good but I will ask you guys. Ok here it goes...
1)New icons. Everything original. No rips from GBA or DS.
2)New Map. Larger than now with a LOT more features.
3)Play as a trainer only. You pick your starter Pokemon depending on which town yolu wish to be born in.
4)When you get into battle, you play as your Pokemon.
5)Raw Business eh?
Notice: This update will take a LOT of time. Please vote and reply on what you think. Thanks. |
Haha, I just saw that now. Funny you should mention 3 and 4, doing that has been my plan for months. In fact, I was just about to post a thread on it when I saw this. 2 is sort of a given, and 1...I feel personally that as long as the icons aren't those oversized crap ones, they are good. One would really be a minimum priority. Redoing all the icons from scratch, including the multitiles, would take years unless we got some skilled pixel artists of our own.
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Jeff
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Also, you guys are completely getting the wrong idea. It will be more like the games in the sense that there will be no pokemon on the map! I HATE the games that give you pokemon that just follow you around and you click a button to train them. Please read my BYOND blog, the post I'm going to make, astroguy808's BYOND blog, or the PA website blog for all the details. Group battling may be incorperated yet by the way. The most important part is other things. These "updates" will be in the form of a whole other game though, so you could still play the current pokemon amethyst if you wish. This new game will be less group-oriented though...
To the people that resent the updates - This will NOT be like any of the other games. You will directly control your pokemon in battle and possibly ride on them at times. Training will be phased out, and AI will be the only thing you can fight. It's to be more like other the real games, but with our fun, original battle system.
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-Sky-
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Sounds awesome. I'll vote yes for it.
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Snyperwolf
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So PA2 isnt gonna be a PvP game?Its just we train and fight the AI please tell me im reading it wrong cuz the idea of Being pokemon and trainer is growing on me but i would like to be able 2 fight other humans as well thats the fun of pokemon on byond cuz theirs AI will never be the same as fighting another person i feel it will be to easy or ultra with ai but with humans on the other hand they can make their own fun like for example the 2 humans could just have a tackle battle and things of that nature so in closing im askin if u gonna make this game please leave it as a pvp game
P.S. Do u have a 24/7 host lined up already and how close is this game before the alpha test?
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Syn
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I believe your just reading it wrong, to my current knowledge nothing was ever stated about removing PVP from the game. So in other words............... it's all in your head .
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Snyperwolf
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Ok good cuz this this line had me nervous"Training will be phased out, and AI will be the only thing you can fight"so i was i just misread the meaning or something but i read the blog and seen it said will be muchy the same so im kool now
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Jeff
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PvP will be kept in. However, I want to add in AI battles before I work on PvP. PvP is currently closer to the bottom of my #1 priority, the battle system, and probably won't be in when I begin open testing. Still though it will NOT be phased out, EVER!*
*If I have any problems with it, I will make it one of my high priority updates, although other things may be coded in before it if I do have any problems, which is unlikely.
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Snyperwolf
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Jeff Im starting to love this forum simply because when someone needs to ask a question about the game(or upcoming game for that matter) u answer back in a non-flaming, timely matter and answer the question fully, with that said do u got any ideas for lag because Amethyst runs great when speaking of lag but when it does lag it lags BAD!!!!! so since u making this game run more smooth and more and effective with less lines of code would that effect lag any if not, anyway to keep the lag to a minimum?
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Jeff
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I am trying to reduce the lag as much as possible. The random generation etc. in the next version could pose issues, but with the way I'm coding it, that shouldnt be a major problem. Weather effects (grass and trees changing colors etc) causes the most lag just because of the fact that to do it you need to change the icons of hundreds of objects/turfs.
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Snyperwolf
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Can u add a Pokemon location map or are all the pokemon throughout the game is gonna be randomly generated also with the new style of play how quickly do u think pokemon be added so we can say we have all the pokemon from the show/game and lastly will the addition of these pokemon require pwipes everytime?
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Jeff
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Pokemon will found based on area. The pokemon will be random, but you won't find magmar by an ocean or anything like that. Pokemon will be added a lot faster. I'm thinking of a cool method of adding pokemon that would make my life easier. Not sure about that. No, they will not require pwipes. Pwipes are only required when major bugs are fixed, or major features are changed, which most notably would be the removal of a variable (trying to load a variable that doesn't exist into a mob causes errors).
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Snyperwolf
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Whats ur goal amount of pokemon to start with?
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Jeff
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For alpha testing, 10. I just need something weak for the grass, and starters for that. I'll just add them as I go after that.
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Snyperwolf
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How close is alpha test?
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Jeff
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Depends on when I decide to release it. The entire battle system is done, it just needs some fixing up and bug fixing, the entering battle thing is done, and random pokemon can be found in grass (I need to improve this a bit though). Really, it just needs AI, leaving battles when you win/lose, and maybe a few actual pokemon/attacks.
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Snyperwolf
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Are u gonna have pokemon revived at full health after the trainer whites out or are they gonna still need a pokemon center.and can u change the tournaments from the emote thing where u tell the judges what they should see and have it like the pokemon league where when someone feels they are strong enough they battle a gm for items and prizes and such?
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Jeff
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Pokemon contests are undecided currently. Also, as of now, the pokemon league will be AI trainers.
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Snyperwolf
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Will u have AI or Human Gym leaders?
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Syn
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Because the E4 is comprised of AI trainers, I think it's safe to assume that gym leaders will be the same, at least for now anyways.
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Boblecon
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Nah, i wanna be the pokemon all the way and the game is great like this.
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Snyperwolf
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This Game isnt leaving
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Sapphirex
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Never!!!If you want to play as trainer, then I would suggest letting us play as trainer,trainer with pokemon, and pokemon or pokemon with trainer and pokemon.Then what would pokeballs be use for thowing at npc. Just don't reset our stats.
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Jeff
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AI Gym leaders, too.
As for the people who want to be pokemon all the time, sorry. I can't really do much, as handling a game with both pokemon and trainers gets plain out confusing at times! Make one change, then you have to make 10 others to get something to work correctly!
Saphirex - I could barely read your message, but this is what I have to say about it (if I interpreted it correctly): You can't play as a pokemon out of battle. You can play as one in battle , but that's it. That segment of the game is almost done in fact! Pokeballs are used for catching the NPC pokemon, which you can then use in battle. And as far as resetting stats goes, I can't even "reset" them. As it's a mostly different game, save files can't be reused.
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Snyperwolf
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U can probably compromise as in let people walk around as pokemon after they catch em like if they set their fav from the current pokemon they have but all the trainer tabs are blacked out(example catch, call out, battle and such)Sounds lame as i type this but just a thought
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Jeff
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Trainer tabs? PA2 has no need for such hideous things! Everything (In battle atleast; I might try it in other things as well though) will be in the interface in the form of a button or input (the little boxes you can type in).
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Snyperwolf
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I suggested the tabs so its not preset buttons,Kinda like the DBZ games where u can macro buttons to do the attacks and such that u want them to do; Basically makes the game more able 2 pick up and plat(So to speak)
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Jeff
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I still don't understand exactly what you mean. Maybe a picture of the interface during battle would help? I'll take some soon.
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Snyperwolf
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Ok yea i just read it and its hard to explain in words
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Sapphirex
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Re: HUGE UPDATE | Maciek_SaikonX wrote: | I have been talking to Minoko about a HUGE Amethyst update. He said the idea sounds good but I will ask you guys. Ok here it goes...
1)New icons. Everything original. No rips from GBA or DS.
2)New Map. Larger than now with a LOT more features.
3)Play as a trainer only. You pick your starter Pokemon depending on which town yolu wish to be born in.
4)When you get into battle, you play as your Pokemon.
5)Raw Business eh?
Notice: This update will take a LOT of time. Please vote and reply on what you think. Thanks. |
Pokeballs are like random at catching becuase the capture rates of pokeballs don't work
Legendaries can easily bee caught. If people played as trainers and pokemon
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Zakka
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I am always for Original Art work.
But one thing I really enjoy about this game is being able to play my favorite Pokemon.
I'd say keep the choice to pick between trainer or pokemon ^^
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Jeff
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Re: HUGE UPDATE | Sapphirex wrote: | | Maciek_SaikonX wrote: | I have been talking to Minoko about a HUGE Amethyst update. He said the idea sounds good but I will ask you guys. Ok here it goes...
1)New icons. Everything original. No rips from GBA or DS.
2)New Map. Larger than now with a LOT more features.
3)Play as a trainer only. You pick your starter Pokemon depending on which town yolu wish to be born in.
4)When you get into battle, you play as your Pokemon.
5)Raw Business eh?
Notice: This update will take a LOT of time. Please vote and reply on what you think. Thanks. |
Pokeballs are like random at catching becuase the capture rates of pokeballs don't work
Legendaries can easily bee caught. If people played as trainers and pokemon |
What do you mean "random at catching"? Capture rates are solid. PA2 even has a complete formula for deciding how easy/hard it is to catch a pokemon.
Zakka, you will play as a trainer in PA2. However, in battle you will control your pokemon as if you were said pokemon.
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Sapphirex
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Says sometimes greatballs are easy to use. Like i use on alot of high level pokemon.The
balls seem to work more than they fail. the pokemon i had cuaght were level 60-91. I'm not saying they don't fail, but they almost work easily and they wern't even weak.
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Jeff
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Oh, in PA1, the capture formula (which can't even really be called a formula) doesn't care if a pokemon is level 1 or level 100. It leaves the catch rate the same. It also doesn't care if a pokemon is rarer than another etc.
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Sapphirex
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then this should be fun.
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Snyperwolf
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Ok im back anybody missed me lol, Well jeff hows PA2 coming along and whats new in PA1?
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Jeff
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PA1: Bug fixes
PA2: Battle system pretty much done, 9 pokemon added.
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Snyperwolf
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You got a release date? or another beta test coming up?
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Jeff
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I might have one in a while, after I add AI and maybe cutscenes. Meh.
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Snyperwolf
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Oh kool, the beta test gonna be for everyone or a selected few?
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Jeff
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Don't know. I don't plan these things too far ahead of time really.
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Snyperwolf
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Ok thanks for the info,i'll keep checking for PA2
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Arashi
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You guys better not be taking out the choose Pokemon verb, or I swear to god I'm going crazy!!
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Jeff
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I have some blog posts on it where you can get all the details, Arashi.
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